This paper concerns just when analogues of vn can occur in ring spectra besides BP. There is a sort of general theory, and then there are applications. Most of the applications concern v1 elements in bordism spectra like MO8. Basically v1 elements exist when elements in the image of J go to 0 under the unit map. We determine just which elements in the image of J survive in the homotopy of bordism spectra MOk, and thereby construct v1 elements.